The Virginia Informer

Originally posted by

jody first

Such public debates on complex science can prove nothing. I have seen many debates on creation vs. evolution, and the creationists win in almost all those debates - but I doubt whether that proves anything. Scientific debates are carried out in a different venue - in journals and other publications; not in front of public with each group cheering one side.

No offense but creation and evolution are not quantifiable principles. Both are flawed and have huge unaddressed gaps. You can debate them all day and never raise a verifiable point. AGW is different, in that temperature and CO2 are highly measureable and quantifiable. 65 is always more than 64 period.
Unless you are James Hansen. And you are the person who sounded the alarms for global warming based on data that YOU collected. And when we all believed you, we began collecting more data. And we found that your 64 was more than our 65. And that your data contradicted every other record that showed consistent trends. And that you were getting paid for that data by the same political campaigns that were strengthened by it being wrong. And that you recently and quite embarassingly had to go back and correct that data. And now you are scared as hell to have to defend it in a world where all the 64s are less than all the 65s again. And you are scared as hell about being asked to explain any of these things, when all the verifiable, quantifiable data in the world says otherwise. And you are scared of the inevitable boos that this will bring. But the boos won't come because the format of public debate is flawed. The boos will come on behalf of the people that have starved and suffered as a result of your chicken little junkscience, and personal and financial opportunism that you pursued at the expense of progress, health, and human advancement.

If a scumbag, lying, thief like James Hansen refused to step foot in my house, I would call it a blessing. My house being deemed no place for a theiving, lying, cheating, self promoting sack of shit is the greatest imaginable compliment. Congratulations on receiving such a compliment W & M. It speaks volumes.

Originally posted by

jody first

Such public debates on complex science can prove nothing. I have seen many debates on creation vs. evolution, and the creationists win in almost all those debates - but I doubt whether that proves anything. Scientific debates are carried out in a different venue - in journals and other publications; not in front of public with each group cheering one side.

Consistently winning debates doesn't prove anything? Are you serious?
While Creation or Evolution can't be proven defintively, empirical evidence points to Creation being the more plausible of the two, hence Creationists win the debates. Of course, admitting you've been decieved and have swallowed a lie is hard to own up to.

Originally posted by

jody first

Such public debates on complex science can prove nothing. I have seen many debates on creation vs. evolution, and the creationists win in almost all those debates - but I doubt whether that proves anything. Scientific debates are carried out in a different venue - in journals and other publications; not in front of public with each group cheering one side.

Creation cannot be proven, however we have a significant body of work and evidence that evolution is what underpins life on our planet

Originally posted by

jody first

Such public debates on complex science can prove nothing. I have seen many debates on creation vs. evolution, and the creationists win in almost all those debates - but I doubt whether that proves anything. Scientific debates are carried out in a different venue - in journals and other publications; not in front of public with each group cheering one side.

Evolution can be observed during our lifetime: bacteria evolve to become resistant to antibiotics. Or does God create the different new bacteria strains deliberately to outsmart our pharmaceutical scientists?

Originally posted by

jody first

Such public debates on complex science can prove nothing. I have seen many debates on creation vs. evolution, and the creationists win in almost all those debates - but I doubt whether that proves anything. Scientific debates are carried out in a different venue - in journals and other publications; not in front of public with each group cheering one side.

People from different geographical areas of the globe develop resistance to the diseases of their particular location. They become ill until they develop a resistance to native diseases. They do not change species. You say evolution is taking place and can be observed today. The example you use is simply bacteria developing a resistance to the antibiotics used against them. Please site one example of a species change.

Originally posted by

jody first

Such public debates on complex science can prove nothing. I have seen many debates on creation vs. evolution, and the creationists win in almost all those debates - but I doubt whether that proves anything. Scientific debates are carried out in a different venue - in journals and other publications; not in front of public with each group cheering one side.

I gave an example of the principle at work in evolution. Species change is a process that takes much longer but will eventually happen. Full species change in the time span of our life is too fast but there are many examples in geological history where this can be demonstrated. Darwin showed enough examples of that on the different Galapagos islands. By the way, do you consider Neanderthaler and the Cro Magnon man a different human species? I do believe that they may have interbred and that we modern humans could have interbred with them if they were still alive. Or do you deny that these human species ever existed or that they were not your God's children?
Why don't you make your life easier and create for yourself the notion that God created the evolution process. That way you can accept all the scientific findings (geological and biological) and at the same time you can believe in the God of your bible.

Originally posted by

jody first

Such public debates on complex science can prove nothing. I have seen many debates on creation vs. evolution, and the creationists win in almost all those debates - but I doubt whether that proves anything. Scientific debates are carried out in a different venue - in journals and other publications; not in front of public with each group cheering one side.

I would be more than happy to accept your position if you would only provide me with an example of one species evolving into another species. Please tell me where I can find an exhibit of intermediate models? I don't mean some artist's hypothetical recreation, but an existing fossil train. Surely we should be neck deep with examples.